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Don Lemon & Ahmed Baba On Trump’s Agenda, The Musk Beef, & The Media This Moment Demands

From Trump’s regressive megabill to the growing Trump-Musk beef to the media’s role in this chaotic political moment, Don Lemon and I went deep on the stakes—and how to meet them.

On Thursday, I had a live Substack conversation with the one and only

. The conversation was lively, substantive, and covered a lot of ground.

We talked about Don’s independent media journey and how that freedom allows him to speak with more clarity and truth, without catering to false equivalence or corporate constraints.

Then we dug into Trump’s “Reverse Robin Hood” bill—a CBO-confirmed wealth transfer that strips resources from the poor, gives tax breaks to the rich, and leaves 10.9 million Americans uninsured. We broke down how this bill—and Trump’s broader agenda—could politically backfire. We also discussed how Trump’s moves are rooted in political weakness, not strength. He’s attempting to govern from a place of fear, not confidence.

We also got into Elon Musk’s attacks on the bill, what’s really driving the intensifying Trump-Musk beef, and how the GOP’s internal fractures are showing. And we closed with comments from Don about journalism in this moment, and why none of what’s going on should be normalized.

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